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Apr. 17th, 2008

Now I know this has been done to death. Little teenager fluff bunnies, oh my. I have to admit though, in my overworked, tired, typo haze, I like the responses to this girl. Well except for one.


and people wonder why I walked away...far...far...away...


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Apr. 18th, 2008 08:32 am (UTC)
I'm not sure which comment you don't like -- but I like that she has "tips for newcomers to the craft of the wise" in her journal, including but not limited to:

"any book by SILVER RAVENWOLF ;; this author is one of the most renowned witches in the pagan community and writes books that apply to all audiences;; if you--like me--are a teenage witch-in-training, you may want to check out TEEN WITCH, which hones in particularly on the obstacles and blessings of choosing the craft in your most difficult years;; otherwise (or if you just want an all-around great book on everything wicca) check out SOLITARY WITCH: THE BOOK OF SHADOWS FOR THE NEW GENERATION--this book has everything inside and out. it is a wonderful reference to have on hand, again i highly recommend this book; i never run out of uses for it."
Apr. 18th, 2008 08:46 am (UTC)
i never run out of uses for it.

How many can I think of?

-toilet paper
-paper weight
-give paper cuts,
-throw it at your head,
-smack you repeatedly with it...
-"point and laugh" value
-as an example of what NOT to read
-scratch paper pad
-scratching pad for my cat
-tear out a pages and roll them up for disposable funnels
-making origami figures
-papier mache


I could keep going. She's right, the uses are endless!
Apr. 18th, 2008 11:10 am (UTC)
-blacking out random words to make some groovy poetry
-read aloud at slumber party to cause fits of giggling
-tear out pages for packing materials
-drawing paper for toddlers
-birdcage liner
-prop up wobbly coffee table leg

...This is fun.
Apr. 18th, 2008 11:11 am (UTC)
-blacking out random words to make some groovy poetry
-read aloud at slumber party to cause fits of giggling

even better....Silver Ravenwolf Mad Libs!!
Apr. 18th, 2008 05:19 pm (UTC)
"We call this period of history the Burning Miniblinds .

Apr. 22nd, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
Great, now I have to clean my monitor. D:
Apr. 18th, 2008 03:29 pm (UTC)
It was a reply to my reply
"Well, she shouldn't count it. Satanism and The Craft are both practices, not religion"
As for the book, I believe there is no such thing in a 'bad' book. It's what a person does with the information in the book.
Apr. 18th, 2008 11:18 am (UTC)
She just rendered me speechless. She said thank you. That she would think on it. There are grown ADULTS that don't act as mature. How am I supposed to be a curmudgeon and shake my whipper snapper cane, when they say thank you?


Apr. 18th, 2008 11:25 am (UTC)
She gets no sympathy from me, but that's mainly because my sympathy for people who don't read the info page on wiccan ran out about two years ago.
Apr. 18th, 2008 11:36 am (UTC)
You don't get it. She's 15, newbie Wiccan, who just had her beliefs ripped apart. Normally, I'm called a pooh pooh head. She said thank you. I don't think I've ever gotten a thank you.

She's 15 for crying out loud. There wasn't DRAMA. There wasn't any of the normal dramafest, when being critiqued.

I dunno what to do now. I think Hell just froze over.
Apr. 18th, 2008 12:12 pm (UTC)
Oh, I do understand that, really. But 15, who clearly touts her own intelligence, gives advice to newcomers to Wicca, didn't read the community information ....


A thank you doesn't impress me. But, to be fair, I am a curmudgeon.
Apr. 18th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
Hon, I can't imagine you didn't think yourself capable of advising people at 15. :)
Apr. 18th, 2008 01:36 pm (UTC)
Eh, at 15 my youngest brother had just died and shortly thereafter my dad came out of the closet. I was pretty much just angry a lot, I don't recall a lot of advising.
Apr. 18th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)
Although, as is typical for someone who just had a post ripped apart, she seems to think it is everyone else's fault, for the most: we misread her.

Not, you know, like she was unclear or anything.
Apr. 18th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
Right. Apparently the problem is that we took her literally. Oh, ok. :)
Apr. 18th, 2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
She's bright which can be both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, she's curious, and appears to have given the whole things some thought based upon what she's read. However, on the other hand, she hasn't read enough. I'm sorry, but reading 'the satanic bible' and not even finishing it does not make you knowledgable enough to speak on Satanism as a whole.

She's definitely lacking in some background knowledge, and shouldn't be giving advice based upon the few books she's probably read. She just needs to learn proper research skills which will come in time - how many undergraduates have I marked who still don't know how to do proper research???

At least she's better than the usual tweenie drivel that gets posted there. ;0)
Apr. 18th, 2008 05:46 pm (UTC)
I think this one shows much promise. She handled herself far better in a debate than most people her age--better than most adults, actually. Unlike the typical fluffy IRAB, it looks like she is reading everything she can get her hands on--unfortunately, Silver is easy to get your hands on. Despite her enthusiasm for Silver, she is willing to discard the parts that don't agree with her own experiences. Her bias against Satanism, for example, is probably part from Ravenwolf, part cultural, and partly due to LaVey. Satanism has a pretty bad reputation throughout most of pagandom, so some of this misunderstanding comes from that as well. However, in the pagan communities, Christianity faces as fair bit of hostility as well--even more at the hands of Ravenwolf. However, she hasn't let that color her own experiences.

She is opinionated, has a few biases and misunderstandings, overly confident in her knowledge, but still has much to learn, and is enthusiastic and starry eyed. All that is explained by her age and her newbieness. I see no fluffy here.

Give her a year to exchange that enthusiasm for more knowledge and I think she will be a force to be reckoned with--and an knowledgeable asset to the pagan community. Give her a year after that to exchange her hopeful, positive outlook for a proper bit of cynicism and bitterness, and she will be a valuable asset to this community.

It is well outside the venue of this community to suggest it, but I think if someone were to befriend her and act as a bit of a guide and mentor, she would benefit significantly. I'd do it, but I only deal with lost causes.
Apr. 18th, 2008 08:49 pm (UTC)
I was thinking along the same lines. Actually, she reminds me a bit of myself at her age, which makes me tempted to lend her a hand myself...though I'm not sure my preferred teaching method (profanity-laced sarcasm) is quite right for a fifteen-year-old.
Apr. 19th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
So I'm going to admit my complete ignorance when it comes to astrology, but still, what the hell is a "wooden astrology wheel"?

I agree, she has a lot more maturity than many adults I know and a HELL of a lot more maturity than I had at 15. Or 21, for that matter...
Apr. 28th, 2008 09:11 am (UTC)
Completely off topic, but ICONLOVE! I love that series.
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